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	<title>Comments on: Haarsager on BPP, plus reactions</title>
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	<description>Strategies for Public Media 2.0</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John Proffitt</title>
		<link>http://gravitymedium.com/2008/07/23/haarsager-on-bpp-plus-reactions/comment-page-1/#comment-420</link>
		<dc:creator>John Proffitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks again, Ken!  I checked out the post.  Really great stuff.  It sounds like you all covered a tremendous amount of ground in your discussions -- how the system works (or doesn't) and issues of mission and so on.

Here's a direct link for anyone out there that's interested in this particular post...

http://tinyurl.com/6rcckt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks again, Ken!  I checked out the post.  Really great stuff.  It sounds like you all covered a tremendous amount of ground in your discussions &#8212; how the system works (or doesn&#8217;t) and issues of mission and so on.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a direct link for anyone out there that&#8217;s interested in this particular post&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/6rcckt" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/6rcckt</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ken George</title>
		<link>http://gravitymedium.com/2008/07/23/haarsager-on-bpp-plus-reactions/comment-page-1/#comment-416</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure will do. I am assuming the one post you read about is from yesterday.
I will try at some point to flesh out some of the general themes. Meantime, to read one participant’s insightful analysis of the event, visit limeduck.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure will do. I am assuming the one post you read about is from yesterday.<br />
I will try at some point to flesh out some of the general themes. Meantime, to read one participant’s insightful analysis of the event, visit limeduck.com.</p>
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		<title>By: John Proffitt</title>
		<link>http://gravitymedium.com/2008/07/23/haarsager-on-bpp-plus-reactions/comment-page-1/#comment-409</link>
		<dc:creator>John Proffitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Ken.  It's a serious problem we're all sharing.  So far, I've not thought of a way forward that everyone would find palatable. It could be there isn't a way forward without a revolution.

In the mean time, I'd love to hear more about your social media event. Will you be writing more about it on the ConverStation blog (I saw the one post)?  I'd like to do the same thing up here in Anchorage but would like to learn from others' experiences first, if possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Ken.  It&#8217;s a serious problem we&#8217;re all sharing.  So far, I&#8217;ve not thought of a way forward that everyone would find palatable. It could be there isn&#8217;t a way forward without a revolution.</p>
<p>In the mean time, I&#8217;d love to hear more about your social media event. Will you be writing more about it on the ConverStation blog (I saw the one post)?  I&#8217;d like to do the same thing up here in Anchorage but would like to learn from others&#8217; experiences first, if possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken George</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 02:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John:

Your comments republished above are the clearest, most cogent explanation I've read to date how the local affiliate-NPR relationship inhibits progress.

They would have made great crib notes at WBUR's first social media event last evening when the issue of show-specific donations and online innovation was inevitably raised!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John:</p>
<p>Your comments republished above are the clearest, most cogent explanation I&#8217;ve read to date how the local affiliate-NPR relationship inhibits progress.</p>
<p>They would have made great crib notes at WBUR&#8217;s first social media event last evening when the issue of show-specific donations and online innovation was inevitably raised!</p>
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		<title>By: John Proffitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Proffitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And This American Life has solicited money for the cost of podcasting, too.  But those are far enough outside the NPR core family to be safe to do this, and the solicitations are targeted at the users of the new tech.

PRI and APM definitely have less leverage on the stations and vice-versa. It's much more like a buyer/seller relationship.  That's why when Faith Salie's show ("Fair Game") was canceled, there wasn't so much of a stink about it. PRI made the show, let it run, tried to sell it, but couldn't.

But APM's and PRI's ability to lead change in the broader public radio market is limited.  They don't have the "tent pole" shows like Morning Edition or All Things Considered, where the bulk of the audience is located. "Marketplace" is probably one of the biggest non-NPR shows in terms of carriage, but that's still a small show compared to ME or ATC.

Your image of the umbilical cord is a good one -- someone has to cut this cord, and it's either got to be NPR or the stations.  But both parties are addicted to the money and can't change easily without risking, well... everything.

At my station, we're attempting to devise a transitional middle path, one that reduces the dependence on NPR (and PBS) but doesn't break the bonds entirely.  We're definitely counting on retaining the core properties like ME and ATC .

The real trick is building community and doing it online. Yet online works on different economic scales, so the legacy infrastructure is too heavy a burden for the new media stuff to bear.  It's a tough nut to crack.

I think the stations and NPR could find a way forward in a new kind of relationship, but it would take vision on a massive scale that only a Jim Jones could produce, and I don't see enough stations drinking that Kool Aid anytime soon.  NPR's "New Realities" meeting series a couple years ago was positive, but didn't generate any lasting structural change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And This American Life has solicited money for the cost of podcasting, too.  But those are far enough outside the NPR core family to be safe to do this, and the solicitations are targeted at the users of the new tech.</p>
<p>PRI and APM definitely have less leverage on the stations and vice-versa. It&#8217;s much more like a buyer/seller relationship.  That&#8217;s why when Faith Salie&#8217;s show (&#8221;Fair Game&#8221;) was canceled, there wasn&#8217;t so much of a stink about it. PRI made the show, let it run, tried to sell it, but couldn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>But APM&#8217;s and PRI&#8217;s ability to lead change in the broader public radio market is limited.  They don&#8217;t have the &#8220;tent pole&#8221; shows like Morning Edition or All Things Considered, where the bulk of the audience is located. &#8220;Marketplace&#8221; is probably one of the biggest non-NPR shows in terms of carriage, but that&#8217;s still a small show compared to ME or ATC.</p>
<p>Your image of the umbilical cord is a good one &#8212; someone has to cut this cord, and it&#8217;s either got to be NPR or the stations.  But both parties are addicted to the money and can&#8217;t change easily without risking, well&#8230; everything.</p>
<p>At my station, we&#8217;re attempting to devise a transitional middle path, one that reduces the dependence on NPR (and PBS) but doesn&#8217;t break the bonds entirely.  We&#8217;re definitely counting on retaining the core properties like ME and ATC .</p>
<p>The real trick is building community and doing it online. Yet online works on different economic scales, so the legacy infrastructure is too heavy a burden for the new media stuff to bear.  It&#8217;s a tough nut to crack.</p>
<p>I think the stations and NPR could find a way forward in a new kind of relationship, but it would take vision on a massive scale that only a Jim Jones could produce, and I don&#8217;t see enough stations drinking that Kool Aid anytime soon.  NPR&#8217;s &#8220;New Realities&#8221; meeting series a couple years ago was positive, but didn&#8217;t generate any lasting structural change.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Lerude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Lerude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

The umbilical between NPR and its affiliates makes change unlikely, unless the member stations willingly reduce their strategic dependence upon NPR programming.

Do you feel that PRI and/or APM are more likely to be change agents, since they have a "looser" relationship with local public radio, with more latitude to go direct to the listener?  For example, I hear APM's "Speaking of Faith" podcast asking for donations, to help keep the podcasts free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>The umbilical between NPR and its affiliates makes change unlikely, unless the member stations willingly reduce their strategic dependence upon NPR programming.</p>
<p>Do you feel that PRI and/or APM are more likely to be change agents, since they have a &#8220;looser&#8221; relationship with local public radio, with more latitude to go direct to the listener?  For example, I hear APM&#8217;s &#8220;Speaking of Faith&#8221; podcast asking for donations, to help keep the podcasts free.</p>
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